.

HOME

HOT ISSUES
SOLICITORS AT DOORS
A PLACE TO MEET
ZONING REWRITES
FLOODING
EMINENT DOMAIN IN ROSLYN
TV ACCESS CHANNELS
Tax Collection Costs
YORK RD CORRIDOR PROJECT
VOTING- ELECTIONS

and more...

THE BUDGET PROCESS
TAX ABATEMENTS
ZONING
DEVELOPMENT
BAEDERWOOD PLAZA
HUNTER SOCCER CLUBHOUSE
LORIMOR PONDS ESTATES
RYDAL WATERS
CORRIDOR REVITALIZATION
WILLIARD COMPLEX IN GLENSIDE
 OPEN SPACE
ARDSLEY WILDLIFE SANCTUARY
ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES
DEER HUNTS IN TOWNSHIP
  DEP PESTICIDE SPRAYING
CELL PHONE TOWERS
CONTRACTORS
TRASH - PAY TO THROW
TRASH - ROADSIDE  
SCHOOL ISSUES
JOBS FOR OUR KIDS
ANONYMOUS REPORTING


_____________________

COMMUNITY GROUPS


ACTIVITIES -EVENTS

TOWNSHIP GOVERNMENT

FIND YOUR COMMISSIONER

_____________

CONTACT US

SITE MAP

INCLUDE YOUR ISSUE

ABOUT THIS NETWORK

POLICIES

PRIVACY

DISCLAIMER

REPORT ABUSES

CORRECT AN ERROR
 


 

Regarding Postings:
All views
Pro and Con
including
multiple views
on either side
will be given
equal access
on this site.
 

The Abington Citizens Network
where Abington, PA residents can share ideas and join forces to build a better community
 


The Solicitation Ordinance

Next Meeting  :  Dec 10th Board fo Commissioners  -
8 pm Township building

________________________________________

  On Dec 10th the Township will hold a hearing about passing an ordinance  that  does 3 things:

A)  It would allow  commercial solicitors to obtain a permit and come to your door  and

B) It has a section on "canvassers"  who would also have to comply with no solicitation signs. Included in this definition are those who :      ." ..... conduct any similar work [to those doing surveys or coming for religious or political purposes] which, by its nature, involves door-to-door or  place-to-place   activity, including distribution of circulars but not  for  commercial activity of any kind."

C) Permit  fees are set at $100 per day , prohibitive to your neighbor's son starting his own landscaping venture who might mow your lawn at 1/2 the price, but a large company who charges much more would be welcome to meet these fees and hire people to solicit township wide -another example of how the big guys bump out everyone else & keep prices high .

So let's see --   Neighbors letting neighbors know about issues like .......the re-zoning......like the Old York Road Corridor..... like a  block party ...... or like this ordinance could be required to cease & desist or face the penalties  the way the language is written currently, if they wanted to be free to let ALL neighbors know . And people who didn't want solicitors SELLING things and had to post a no solicitation sign to prevent that, would now be blocking out things they might want.   This does not really work well for us, as residents who need more communication and more information  in our government process,  does it?

    When I suggested that we needed language to ensure that neighbors were not inhibited from  talking to their neighbors - especially about important issues, it was suggested in return to me  that "selective enforcement " might even take place - the police might not bother some for violating this ordinance.   OK but  with a single "complaint" you might be in fear of suffering the $100 to $1,000  fine (and imprisonment).  Can you imagine the effect this would have on communication between residents  (which already needs as much help as it can get ) .  Communications at virtually every level have already in this township have been interfered with. You only have to watch the Nov 12 , 2009 Commissioners meeting to see how hard the Commissioners  work to keep me from reading out the above wording so that the others in the room know what I am talking about.  The interference has done a great deal to keep residents in the dark about what their government officials are doing. 

 Advertised in November, this item  will apparently come up for a hearing Dec 10th
_____________________________
Here are some things for you to consider .
 

First  - do you believe that the township should even allow commercial enterprises onto your doorstep? There are issues of people on shift work having their peace disturbed, for instance,  as well as security issues . Unless the majority wants this - we should have a legal right to curtail this annoyance.,

Second - if we are somehow "forced" into this  (not without a fight, I would hope ) should it be that those who DO want to allow solicitors to come up to their doors post a "Solicitors Allowed" sign  rather that the other way around.  There is some case law about that I believe but I think we would want to examine this thoroughly.  If the case law was obtained while citizens were uniformed, it would explain a lot.    

Third  - shouldn't there be strong and specific language in this ordinance that this policy does not apply to neighbors sharing information with neighbors or coming with an invitation or coming to talk about a tree limb  or other matter. Our prior ordinance did not exclude non-profits or political candidates or neighbors - which is why I believe it DID conform with the law . 

Fourth - shouldn't there  be a strong differentiation between  commercial solicitors /canvassers/ and neighbors-   and shouldn't we make sure that is spelled out clearly & no one is forced into blocking out all just because they want to b
lock out one. There are 5 groups ---  Solicitors as commercial-for funds/ Non- Profits for funds / Non- Profits for info not funds  / Canvassers for info not funds / Neighbors for info not funds  .
These are   5 completely separate concepts. Otherwise no one will be able to have others at their door if they do not also want commercial solicitors.

___________________________________________

The solicitor has told us case law now requires us to permit the commercial. But when I asked for the case law, what my commissioner gave me did not seem to me to verify a need to change at all

One was Town of Green River, Wyoming vs. Fuller Brush Company, 65 F.2d 112 (10th Cir. 1933) and that one was LOST by Fuller Brush company and there is much discussion on the internet about that decision being upheld.  Where those ordinances have been challenged is where they tried to exclude  religious or other entities along with the commercial.

The second was  Edenfield v. Fane, 507 U.S. 761 (1993). and this seems not to be  directly about door to door solicitation at all - the case involves phone & other direct contact. 

If the law as it stands - or "case law"  was the end all or be all of what was legal - we would never see two lawyers on opposite sides of an issue. And I believe that many other townships could be considered possible allies in this issue . I have seen our township  expose us to litigation in areas where our saftey was not an issue & for benefits that only a small number of residents will enjoy the advantages of ----  I would certainly like to think that my township would work for my interests here.

The Commissioners voted Nov 14th  2009 to allow the advertising of this ordinance

Please share your opinion by clicking here .....

 

__________________________________________________________

 

 

____________________________________________________

 

  If you have any updated information, or something you would like to share, please Send your the information to: lel@abingtoncitizens.com 


 

 


 

 


Disclaimer:

The information on this page or in this site may have inaccuracies, opinions  and should not be relied upon until investigated personally by the reader.  Please read our full  Disclaimer
and read our Policies page before using this site. All who find inaccuracies are asked to please contact us to have them corrected.

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

h